Comments for THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org The Humanities and Technology Camp Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:14:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 Comment on Life and Scholarship in Plain Text by » I Am Not Teaching on an Island Musings of One Educator http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/20/life-and-scholarship-in-plain-text/#comment-223 Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:14:54 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=359#comment-223 […] more sessions were proposed; more from other DH beginners. Sessions on Writing with DH Tools and Life & Scholarship in Plain Text  intrigued me. I felt that I would go and see what I could get out of it… I was sure one of […]

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Comment on Writing with DH Tools by » I Am Not Teaching on an Island Musings of One Educator http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/writing-with-dh-tools/#comment-222 Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:47:46 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=225#comment-222 […] myself involved in. Soon, more sessions were proposed; more from other DH beginners. Sessions on Writing with DH Tools and Life & Scholarship in Plain Text  intrigued me. I felt that I would go and see what I […]

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Ben Brophy http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-180 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:47:57 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-180 Our interactive time line of student generated content on the Russian revolution in 1917

mit.edu/russia1917/

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Comment on HistoryDeck prototype design crit by Nicola http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/historydeck-prototype-design-crit/#comment-179 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 04:01:58 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=377#comment-179 This sounds like a fun session. I think HistoryDeck definitely has potential!

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Comment on DH dating service by Siobhan Senier http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-dating-service/#comment-176 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:44:54 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=293#comment-176 this is a BRILLIANT idea

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Comment on Text encoding (editing, modeling, metadata, TEI, skills, tools…) by Siobhan Senier http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/text-encoding-editing-modeling-metadata-tei-skills-tools/#comment-175 Sat, 22 Oct 2011 01:36:28 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=367#comment-175 count me in as well

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Comment on * Social Network Analysis (SNA) as an Analytical Research Method for the Humanities* by Jamie Jungmin Yoo http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/social-network-analysis-sna-as-an-analytical-research-method-for-the-humanities/#comment-174 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:34:30 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=343#comment-174 @ Amanda — thanks! I’ll look into the link for more ideas proposed by Moretti. thanks again and look forward to discussing more about it in and outside the session!

@ Max – that’s a great idea! i’d love to do that. personally i hope to learn about the complex networks. we could have a joint session or align ours for two hrs. nice! I read your abstract, and it looks great. i don’t think i touched the deeper level of analysis shared among science people. but it’s truly awesome you are working on art history! i definitely hear more about it. thanks a lot!

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Comment on Virtual Material Culture by Elli Mylonas http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/virtual-material-culture/#comment-173 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:47:31 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=230#comment-173 Great topic – also interested in Nicola’s observation in her comment above about creating objects that are better able to serve a scholarly audience. What is necessary, and what are other material objects lacking?

How do you use these in pedagogical contexts?

I’ve been working with Brown faculty on two epigraphical corpora. They have different approaches, but share similar technology. It could make a good case study.

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Comment on * Social Network Analysis (SNA) as an Analytical Research Method for the Humanities* by mschich http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/social-network-analysis-sna-as-an-analytical-research-method-for-the-humanities/#comment-172 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:41:13 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=343#comment-172 Hi Jamie, I just proposed another session focussing on complex networks. It would be great if we could align both of our sessions for two censecutive hours of fun.
For my abstract see newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/complex-networks/
Best, Max

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Comment on From Projects to Program by Elli Mylonas http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/from-projects-to-program/#comment-171 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:30:19 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=217#comment-171 Brown has had a digital humanities group since 1994, when it was called humanities computing. We’ve never been a real, stand alone, funded center. We started out as part of the computing organization and are now part of the library. The library had also been active in DH and DL activities starting at about 2000. We are still not a stand alone funded center. However, we are very blended group in the library, and we have recently acquired two new colleagues – an e-science librarian and dh librarian (who’s attending THATCamp). The vision that we are being asked to function under is one where dh permeates the library.

On the whole, I like this, but it’s worth discussing what it really means, and how to get there. Molly Ruggles proposed a session on recognizing and capturing the knowledge of pre-digital scholars. Is this another factor?

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Comment on Life and Scholarship in Plain Text by Elli Mylonas http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/20/life-and-scholarship-in-plain-text/#comment-170 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:21:45 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=359#comment-170 This is a neat session Lincoln. We are all devoted to and shaped by our editors. I’m sure that vi users don’t solve problems the same way emacs users do! And also, what about moving in plain text from one tool to another depending on what you need to do?

Jamie:
ProfHacker (chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/ ) has some great posts on note taking, annotation, bibliography and other activities.

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Comment on Dinghies and Ocean Liners – DH projects of different sizes by Elli Mylonas http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/dinghies-and-ocean-liners-dh-projects-of-different-sizes/#comment-169 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:18:01 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=364#comment-169 Amanda:

Absolutely!

I saw your session, and I agree that we are circling around a similar issue. You are are investigating how projects originate and where they live, which is both organizational and strategic. I am looking at how projects are developed. The two are related, since where something originates will affect how it is designed and implemented. And there are the opposing forces of efficiency and creativity (which sometimes involves wasting time) and inertia/agility which can be found at different times in both models.

But I’m having a conversation with myself, so looking forward to having one with more people at THATCamp.

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Guy Massie http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-168 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:58:07 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-168 I’d like to run a lightning presentation on a digital history crowdsourcing project I’ve worked on over the summer. It uses Ushahidi to accept submissions (via SMS and other media) about local history.

The website is www.heritagecrowd.org and I’d like to use it in the presentation!

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Comment on Student-Directed Learning by Stephanie Cheney http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/student-directed-learning/#comment-167 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:18:46 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=337#comment-167 I too attended the Mobility Shifts conference and am interested in this topic after Michael Wesch’s session: Making Connections: Using New Media to Create Authentic Engaging Collaborative Learning Environments. mobilityshifts.org/workshops/making-connections-using-new-media-to-create-authentic-engaging-/

The idea of having students work on real projects via research and collaborative models and then share/reflect/gather feedback from/with an audience outside the classroom walls is incredibly compelling and tricky to put into practice. Maybe not so much tricky as involving a huge mind-set shift on the part of a faculty member.

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Comment on Text encoding (editing, modeling, metadata, TEI, skills, tools…) by Sean Wang http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/text-encoding-editing-modeling-metadata-tei-skills-tools/#comment-166 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:09:27 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=367#comment-166 I second Elizabeth’s comment above! As a novice, I would really like to learn about text encoding.

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Maximilian Schich http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-165 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:02:31 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-165 Hi, I’d like to present a systematic way to visualize emerging complexity in a scholarly database: revealingmatrices.schich.info/fig/3.htm – Best, Max

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Kathryn http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-164 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:14:56 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-164 I’d like to present on a digital library project, the Medical Heritage Library, that is expanding content and conducting research on the needs of researchers for related tools and services.

Forgot to send the URL: www.medicalheritage.org
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Comment on Dinghies and Ocean Liners – DH projects of different sizes by Amanda Rust http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/dinghies-and-ocean-liners-dh-projects-of-different-sizes/#comment-163 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:07:04 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=364#comment-163 I think there’s interesting overlap with a session I proposed here, only you articulated better than I the concerns about locking oneself into only an ad hoc or only a programmatic approach. I’d definitely enjoy taking part in a discussion around these issues, in whichever session they appear.

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Comment on From Projects to Program by Amanda Rust http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/from-projects-to-program/#comment-162 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:05:04 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=217#comment-162 I think there’s some interesting overlap with this session, and that poster articulated better than I the concerns I have about locking oneself into only an ad hoc or only a programmatic approach.

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Comment on Student-Directed Learning by Amanda Rust http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/student-directed-learning/#comment-161 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:00:04 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=337#comment-161 I would also be interested in this, particularly your question here: “How can we make sure that the class does not use digital tools just for sake of using them, but that those tools and the platforms actually enhance and serve the project’s overall concept, content, and form?”

Well put!

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Comment on * Social Network Analysis (SNA) as an Analytical Research Method for the Humanities* by Amanda Rust http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/social-network-analysis-sna-as-an-analytical-research-method-for-the-humanities/#comment-160 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:54:30 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=343#comment-160 I think this sounds quite interesting — I know people have started to use Social Network Analysis to look at literature (Moretti himself works on a possible model with network theory here), and I would love a chance to discuss these ideas.

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Comment on Virtual Material Culture by Nicola http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/virtual-material-culture/#comment-159 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:01:42 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=230#comment-159 I think this is a great session topic. As someone with a personal interest in material culture, I try to incorporate it into my teaching. I think digital archives of artifacts can help students to visualize time periods they are unfamiliar with. I’ve also noticed, from browsing many museum collections online, that they are limited in many ways.

Maybe this discussion could also expand to include manuscripts as well. I think libraries have better realized the educational value of digitizing manuscripts than museums have with their collections. Also, many digital manuscripts seem to have been created with the needs of scholars in mind. I see less evidence of this with digitized objects.

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Comment on Local TV News use in digital humanities by Nicola http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/local-tv-news-use-in-digital-humanities/#comment-158 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:47:14 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=261#comment-158 This is a great topic. I’m sure these collections are goldmines of fascinating information. My experience working with online video collections has been that the newer the material is, the tighter the copyright restrictions, which can hinder their educational potential. I agree that fair use should be part of this discussion. The more materials released into the public domain, the better!

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Comment on DH in a LAM world by Nicola http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-in-a-lam-world/#comment-157 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:34:15 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=313#comment-157 I love the topic of this session. I also work for a small historic house museum with an extremely limited budget. I’ve been planning DH projects for us that will utilize open-source (free) technologies, but there are still no guarantees that these digital initiatives will get more visitors through the door.

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Comment on Give me your metadata, your text… by MJessup http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/give-me-your-metadata-your-text/#comment-156 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:01:42 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=255#comment-156 Ditto! I am also an archivist and this sounds like a great topic.

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Thomas Dodson http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-155 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 13:31:12 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-155 I’d like to present on Yana, an open source template for scholarly and literary journals to develop mobile applications.

Here is a shortened URL: hvrd.me/qQPVIW.

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Comment on Text encoding (editing, modeling, metadata, TEI, skills, tools…) by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/text-encoding-editing-modeling-metadata-tei-skills-tools/#comment-153 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:52:50 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=367#comment-153 Yes! Sounds great. I am a total novice about this subject.

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Comment on Is a Simple, Straightforward Syllabus for “Intro to DH” Possible? Is it even desirable? by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/is-a-simple-straightforward-syllabus-for-intro-to-dh-possible-is-it-even-desirable/#comment-151 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:30:16 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=209#comment-151 Thanks, Hope for those links. They’re a goldmine.
One question I have is why do we need to teach a class about the digital humanities (such as Introduction to the DH) as opposed to teaching a course in literature or composition (for example) in a digital humanities context?

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Comment on Life and Scholarship in Plain Text by Jamie Jungmin Yoo http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/20/life-and-scholarship-in-plain-text/#comment-148 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:22:40 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=359#comment-148 it might be rather off topic, but i’d also love to learn/talk more about note-taking method as well. how do you guys manage/organize your papers, articles, reading notes, etc? headache…

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Comment on Text encoding (editing, modeling, metadata, TEI, skills, tools…) by Jamie Jungmin Yoo http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/21/text-encoding-editing-modeling-metadata-tei-skills-tools/#comment-147 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 07:17:44 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=367#comment-147 love this! personally i really learn about this!!

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Comment on Is a Simple, Straightforward Syllabus for “Intro to DH” Possible? Is it even desirable? by hope.greenberg http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/is-a-simple-straightforward-syllabus-for-intro-to-dh-possible-is-it-even-desirable/#comment-145 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:30:33 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=209#comment-145 One session at this past weekend’s THATCamp Pedagogy tackled this topic. As one might expect the conversation ranged far and wide. Some of those notes are here:
docs.google.com/document/d/1N9LaZaa6ZBsaWepzcd1zMDCnlGhVryQQKZJ_inqXgsk/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

Other notes from that day are here: pedagogy2011.thatcamp.org/session-google-docs/

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Comment on the all-DH major by hope.greenberg http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/the-all-dh-major/#comment-144 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:21:49 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=291#comment-144 Oh yes, a curriculum is much more fun than a single course….now where did I stash that old one I dreamed up so many years ago…maybe its time has come…
(and Hi Tona!)

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Jamie Jungmin Yoo http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-143 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 23:35:51 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-143 Dear all,

It’s my first ThatCamp – frankly I feel rather overwhelmed but will try to experience as much as I can, including this dork short presentation. Here is the link for my on-going work on Social Network Analysis and Literary Communities in the Late 18th century Seoul, Korea.

bit.ly/o7RZSd

Thanks a lot. See you all this weekend! — Jamie

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Comment on Best Practices and New Ideas for Open-Access Publications by Thomas Dodson http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/best-practices-and-new-ideas-for-open-access-publications/#comment-140 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:00:44 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=172#comment-140 I would be very interested in this session. A few months ago I launched an open access arts & literature journal, Printer’s Devil Review(pdrjournal.org). I started using OJS but ended up finding it too cumbersome and switched to Drupal 7. It’s not an academic journal, but I still may have some insights (and definitely some opinions) to share regarding your questions.

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Comment on Digital tools for content and discourse analysis? by Sean Wang http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/digital-tools-for-content-and-discourse-analysis/#comment-138 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:13:06 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=335#comment-138 I will probably get most of what I need in Bootcamps and Workshops, so this is not a “must” for unconference like others posted here.

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Comment on Immunity to Change Introductory Session by dwedaman http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/immunity-to-change-introductory-session/#comment-136 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:20:00 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=299#comment-136 interesting question! . . . this particular method (Immunity to Change) starts with identifying an improvement goal (an area you want to change but are having trouble) . . . you could conceivable set as your improvement goal “dealing better with relentless novelty” and work with that, and you might discover some things . . . although for that to work you’d really have to care about improving in that way . . .

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Comment on Immunity to Change Introductory Session by Molly Ruggles http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/immunity-to-change-introductory-session/#comment-135 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:47:14 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=299#comment-135 I’m intrigued!

It seems – for us technologists and explorers in the digital world – we need to be always adapting to change …..often scrambling to be at the forefront of it. It can get exhausting sometimes.

Do you have some techniques for counteracting “change fatigue” or the “tyranny of relentless novelty”? Bring it on.

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Comment on syllabus analysis machine by Sean Wang http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/syllabus-analysis-machine/#comment-129 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 02:04:37 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=284#comment-129 This sounds really interesting! I’m more interested in the technical side of things (how to do this in DH?), but this seems like a very innovative application.

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Comment on Digital tools for content and discourse analysis? by Sean Wang http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/digital-tools-for-content-and-discourse-analysis/#comment-128 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:56:58 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=335#comment-128 Elizabeth,

RoSE looks like an awesome project! Need to read about it in more detail, but it looks more like a tool for collaboration more than anything else. Do you (or anyone else) know of tools similar to these but incorporating more traditional coding softwares in qualitative social sciences?

Clearly THATCamp is already working in my favor – so many new things to learn about!

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Comment on DH in a LAM world by Jennifer http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-in-a-lam-world/#comment-126 Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:27:35 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=313#comment-126 Thanks all!

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Comment on Student-Directed Learning by Vanessa Alander http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/student-directed-learning/#comment-125 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:02:28 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=337#comment-125 Okay, this is fabulous. I love this idea and have so many of the same questions and avenues I wish to explore. Hoping this one makes the cut, so to speak!

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Comment on Publishing with time-based media by Student-Directed Learning » THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/publishing-with-time-based-media/#comment-124 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:40:21 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=250#comment-124 […] “Publishing with Time-Based Media” “Is a Simple Straightforward Syllabus for Intro to DH Possible…?” “The Having of Wonderful Ideas” “Helping Students Negotiate Private and Public Boundaries Online” “Writing with DH Tools” “Tools for Scholars for Preparation and Publication of Texts…” […]

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Comment on From Projects to Program by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/from-projects-to-program/#comment-123 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:22:44 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=217#comment-123 I love this idea. My school, Fordham University, has no formal program for grad or undergrad students.

There is, however, a formal DH initiative at my school, but it is tiny. The department chairs and most of the teachers don’t have a clue as to what they need to establish a DH dimension in the major requirements or course curriculum.

If a DH “center” existed on campus, they wouldn’t really know how to use it. This does not mean they are afraid of DH or not interested. They just don’t know what to ask for from DH, how to use it in their own research, or how to assess the work of their students and colleagues.

In addition to addressing the questions you raise above, I’d like to figure out ways to approaching some of these challenges of simply moving people toward seeing why they might need and how they might use a DH center or department in their school or organization.

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Comment on Give me your metadata, your text… by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/give-me-your-metadata-your-text/#comment-122 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:08:35 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=255#comment-122 Yes, great questions!

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Comment on Local TV News use in digital humanities by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/local-tv-news-use-in-digital-humanities/#comment-121 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:07:56 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=261#comment-121 A great idea, which also raises questions about fair use. Your position at WGBH (my favorite station!) probably has placed you in the thick of that debate. Fair use should definitely be a part of the discussion you propose.

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Comment on DH dating service by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-dating-service/#comment-120 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 22:01:16 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=293#comment-120 HASTAC does seem to provide this kind of service. Anyone can join and it’s free.

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Comment on Digital tools for content and discourse analysis? by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/digital-tools-for-content-and-discourse-analysis/#comment-119 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:57:24 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=335#comment-119 It sounds like what you’re looking for might be found at RoSE, the “research-oriented social environment for tracking and integrating relations between authors and documents in a combined ‘social-document graph.’ It allows users to learn about an author or idea from the evolving relationships between people-and-documents, people-and-people, and documents-and-documents.”

Here’s the link in case the one I tried to insert above doesn’t work:
transliteracies.english.ucsb.edu/category/research-project/rose

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Comment on DH in a LAM world by elizabethcornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-in-a-lam-world/#comment-118 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 21:51:33 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=313#comment-118 Collaboration is a big word in the digital humanities. Are there other museums, libraries, and / or historical societies with similar needs, collections, goals and interests you could team up with? Pooling resources and using open resources is one way to proceed.

I, for one, do not watch 18-minute YouTube videos!

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Cira Browm http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-117 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:29:20 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-117 Hi! I’d love to do a lightning presentation on my Associative Glossary. This custom-coded web-based tool dynamically displays related ideas/demographics/events, people and corresponding time periods. I initially developed this to organize information about the history of early modern physics, but it could be applied to any historical or literary data set.

A work-in-progress example can be found here:
cynthiondesign.com/historyofearlymodernphysics/associativetable/associativetable3.htm

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Comment on DH in a LAM world by Sara Martin http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-in-a-lam-world/#comment-116 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:58:13 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=313#comment-116 Hi Jennifer! Coming from a similar background as you and with an institution that claims similar goals, I’d also be interested in what people more experienced digital humanities research can offer about research (secondary or experiential) into successful media products and audience attention spans (do people really watch 18-minute youtube videos?).

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Comment on Timelines as a Nexus for Pedagogy and Research? by Sara Martin http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/19/timelines-as-a-nexus-for-pedagogy-and-research/#comment-115 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:52:48 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=318#comment-115 This sounds great to me! I come to THATCamp as a digital humanities novice and am hoping to gain insight into overall digital project management. Having said that, one digital project the Adams Papers has identified is to revamp the timeline on our website, currently linear, static, and content heavy. We don’t want to lose much of the existing content, but we need to find a cohesive and easily searchable way to deliver information that incorporates many individual and interconnected lives across a 150-year period. I’d be interested to learn of good models to research and what software tools people know of or have found useful.

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Comment on Digital Scholarship and Strengthening Regional Connectivity by Courtney http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/digital-scholarship-and-strengthening-regional-connectivity/#comment-113 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:26:31 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=263#comment-113 Me too!

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Comment on DH in a LAM world by Courtney http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-in-a-lam-world/#comment-112 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 14:22:46 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=313#comment-112 You get my vote for this discussion – what are the “minimum requirements” for our archival materials to be used by digital humanities scholars, vs what are the “pie in the sky” dreams?

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by Ben Brophy http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-111 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:57:35 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-111 Hello, My colleagues and I have a similar session proposal, but focussed a bit more explicitly on timelines and how to make them interoperable. Maybe we could link up.

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Comment on DH in a LAM world by Ben Brophy http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-in-a-lam-world/#comment-110 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:27:52 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=313#comment-110 Hi Jennifer. Great topic. I used to follow D-Space becasue it seemed to have great potential. Its been 4-5 years since I checked it out closely, but it did seem a little too daunting for a small organization to use without hiring a developer to run it. That may have changed, but I’m also curious if there are other lightweight solutions to the problem.

You might also enjoy our timeline session if it happens. One of the things I want to talk about is the feasibility of including original documents from archives in our timelines as a source for student work.

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Comment on the all-DH major by Tona http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/the-all-dh-major/#comment-109 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:08:14 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=291#comment-109 amen to this one. It wraps in my idea about the intro course and makes it part of something that could be very, very cool.

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Comment on Digital Scholarship and Strengthening Regional Connectivity by pbaudoin2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/digital-scholarship-and-strengthening-regional-connectivity/#comment-103 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:33:59 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=263#comment-103 I’m in, too.

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Comment on Give me your metadata, your text… by Jennifer http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/give-me-your-metadata-your-text/#comment-102 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:02:18 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=255#comment-102 Sounds great!!

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Comment on Humanities, Technology and Engagement by Jennifer http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/humanities-technology-and-engagement/#comment-101 Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:57:10 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=303#comment-101 I’m definitely interested in the museum aspect.

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Comment on DH dating service by Adam Lipkin http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/dh-dating-service/#comment-100 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:31:45 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=293#comment-100 Would HASTAC qualify for this?

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Comment on Data Visualization: From Discovery Tools to Visual Arguments by Shane Landrum http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/data-visualization-from-discovery-tools-to-visual-arguments/#comment-98 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:06:12 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=199#comment-98 I can’t attend this year’s THATCamp New England, but I’m definitely interested in this session and in whatever output it produces. (Your question about handling data that wasn’t originally created in a visualization-friendly way seems very appropriate for historians.) Please keep me posted.

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Comment on Best Practices and New Ideas for Open-Access Publications by sarah.werner http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/best-practices-and-new-ideas-for-open-access-publications/#comment-97 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:43:23 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=172#comment-97 A couple of other open access journals, some nicer looking and easier to navigate than others:

Borrowers and Lenders
Common-Place
Appositions–a bit weirdly, but maybe with potential for cheapness and ease, done on Blogger.
Fragments

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Comment on Best Practices and New Ideas for Open-Access Publications by Lincoln Mullen http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/best-practices-and-new-ideas-for-open-access-publications/#comment-96 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:32:20 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=172#comment-96 Here are some resources I’ve gathered:

Early Modern Literary Studies—Noteworthy for paragraph numbering for citations.

Paper Through Time—noteworthy for endnotes and hovering notes above numbers.

Hacking the Academy e-book—noteworthy for being an EPUB edition of a book published online.

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Comment on Digital Scholarship and Strengthening Regional Connectivity by Robin Wheelwright Ness http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/digital-scholarship-and-strengthening-regional-connectivity/#comment-95 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:23:15 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=263#comment-95 Thank you, Shane, for your comments and link to your blog. I’ve attended two Museum Computer Network conferences and the inaugural MCN NE SIG meeting, which was held at the MFA in Boston this past July. Although, museums play the strongest role, the MCN conference/SIG programming is also geared to those working in libraries and archives. NERDS is a regional initiative currently underway. The steering committee meet at Yale in the spring, but we are still in the organizational stages.
I agree that humanities grad student outreach is something that all of the groups should consider. A fellow brown public humanities grad student is attending on Saturday, and I will ask for her feedback on this topic.

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Comment on Digital Scholarship and Strengthening Regional Connectivity by Shane Landrum http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/digital-scholarship-and-strengthening-regional-connectivity/#comment-93 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:48:48 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=263#comment-93 I do agree that there needs to be more ongoing regional connection in New England. Regrettably, I’m not going to be able to attend THATCamp New England because of the American Studies Association’s conference in Baltimore this weekend, so I’ll add my 2 cents here.

In 8 years of Ph.D. school in New England, all three of the standing organizations mentioned here have been completely opaque to me. I’m not a museum professional, so MCN NE SIG hasn’t been something I’ve looked into; I know NERCOMP exists, but not much more than that; and all the material I can find about NERDS is behind the Facebook wall.

I’m guessing that part of what’s going on here is that the line between staff and grad-students/faculty is very solid in New England, alt-ac notwithstanding. None of my faculty mentors has ever suggested to me that I might want to know more about any of these groups. Is that a problem? I’m not sure, but I suspect that more outreach from those organizations to humanities grad students might be in order.

I’d happily volunteer Digital Humanities in Boston and Beyond blog as a venue for some of this organizing if that would help; I’ve recently put out a call for editors and would love to hear from people who attend this session.

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by Sara Georgini http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-92 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:03:50 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-92 I think this will make for an excellent conversation about how to use digital mapping to reinterpret the historical narrative for a new audience, especially given THATCamp’s opportunities to learn key GIS techniques. I’d also like to join in and expand the conversation to explore supplying and editing new research tools for older, established datasets. I invite ideas and suggestions on my current project to map the Adams family itineraries and residences, as well as their points of contact with different religious communities. Specifically, how can I begin to comprehend and aggregate the historical events, social data, religious interactions, and family history that I have captured? What kind of digital record or reference tool can I develop to share this information with other researchers? Hopefully, this unique GIS-based initiative will serve as a double gateway for scholars in both American history and the digital humanities.

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Comment on Digital Scholarship and Strengthening Regional Connectivity by Lincoln Mullen http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/18/digital-scholarship-and-strengthening-regional-connectivity/#comment-91 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:43:45 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=263#comment-91 I’m in!

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by courtneymichael http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-90 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:09:37 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-90 We’d like to present our “Participatory Cataloging” project from the WGBH Media Library and Archives. We are looking for scholars to make use of our material and contribute metadata to our catalog through tagging, note-taking and publication.

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Comment on Writing with DH Tools by Vanessa Alander http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/writing-with-dh-tools/#comment-86 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:10:28 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=225#comment-86 I really like this topic and am looking forward to this. I am also very new to the field of Digital Humanities and this is my first THATCamp experience. As a teacher of writing this session and conversation would be very beneficial.

Thanks for posting!

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by mimber http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-85 Tue, 18 Oct 2011 00:07:01 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-85 This will be my first THATCamp, so I checked in with my Info/Lib Services folks who are beginning to talk about DH – they said – go to anything that talks about visualizing and come back and tell us what people said – so this sounds good to me.

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Comment on Data Visualization: From Discovery Tools to Visual Arguments by swalkowiak2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/data-visualization-from-discovery-tools-to-visual-arguments/#comment-84 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:37:26 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=199#comment-84 I’m definitely interested! I’m a dataviz novice/fan, and would be willing to talk about introductory dataviz tools, like many eyes, wordle, lightweight “hacking” of text using desktop search tools like copernic, “hacking” powerpoint to make simple, pretty infographics etc.

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by mhowser http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-83 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:21:19 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-83 I am interested in learning more about how we can visualize time within the context of a particular location(s). Visualizing temporal data using interactive tools is a great way to provide the context for a text or event, and I would love to learn more about tools and techniques for visualizing textual data from a maps/geographic perspective.

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Comment on Data Visualization: From Discovery Tools to Visual Arguments by mhowser http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/data-visualization-from-discovery-tools-to-visual-arguments/#comment-82 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:14:25 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=199#comment-82 This would be a great session! My focus has been on data visualizations using maps and I would love to learn more about how to visualize complex datasets using interactive display tools (i.e. Google Fusion Tables) that could provide an engaging learning experience. Being a librarian, I would be interested in discussing digital data archiving and providing public access to large archival datasets via the web.

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Comment on Data Visualization: From Discovery Tools to Visual Arguments by rness http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/data-visualization-from-discovery-tools-to-visual-arguments/#comment-81 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:59:53 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=199#comment-81 Jean, I too would be interested in this session. I think I may make a pecha kucha presentation next month on data visualization methods in relation to public humanities for my class with Steve Lubar. I attended the Humanities and Visual Interpretations Conference last year organizied by MIT’s Hyperstudio & Digital Humanities Group and I would like to explore what has been happening with visualization tools since then. I’d also like to brainstorm on what we may be able to do with our existing data here at Brown.

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Comment on Is a Simple, Straightforward Syllabus for “Intro to DH” Possible? Is it even desirable? by arust http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/is-a-simple-straightforward-syllabus-for-intro-to-dh-possible-is-it-even-desirable/#comment-80 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:45 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=209#comment-80 I third this idea, and see a possibly fruitful conversation between this session, and another proposed here. In this session we have an approach to teaching DH at an academic course level, whereas in the other session we seem to have a focus on teaching DH concepts “on the front lines”, as it were — perhaps each would inform the other?

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Comment on “Training the Trainers” for DH by arust http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/training-the-trainers-for-dh/#comment-79 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:38:03 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=188#comment-79 I’m particularly intrigued by this phrase: “help them better inform and engage with both DH resistant and enthusiastic teaching faculty”. I’ve been pondering ways to drum up support for new DH programs, and some sort of “Digital Humanities Roadshow” that would serve to introduce librarians, archivists, teachers, and education administration to the value of DH would help.

I’m possibly thinking of something that’s almost a step before train-the-trainers, or something that’s more about giving the trainers talking points and a big-picture view. Helping them become advocates — does that fit into this session, too?

This is a good idea, thanks for posting.

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Comment on Is a Simple, Straightforward Syllabus for “Intro to DH” Possible? Is it even desirable? by ecornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/17/is-a-simple-straightforward-syllabus-for-intro-to-dh-possible-is-it-even-desirable/#comment-78 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:57:43 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=209#comment-78 I love this idea! I second it.

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Comment on Data Visualization: From Discovery Tools to Visual Arguments by ABrubaker http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/data-visualization-from-discovery-tools-to-visual-arguments/#comment-77 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:37:00 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=199#comment-77 I would definitely be interested in this session. I’m currently working on a project on statistics and late-nineteenth- and early twentieth-century African-American history, and more specifically at the moment, a study of Ida B. Wells’ data on lynchings. I want to explore ways that I can represent her findings in dynamic digital formats and also contextualize her data using mapping tools and comparative graphs and tables. Because I’m fairly new to using these kinds of tools, I’m most interested in the first question of “how we do it?”

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Comment on “Training the Trainers” for DH by ecornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/training-the-trainers-for-dh/#comment-76 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:28:34 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=188#comment-76 I too would like to see a session such as this. Would it be possible to expand it to humanities teachers? They’re an important user group of these tools and techniques, and they need to be encouraged to use and introduce them to their students. If students and teachers demand them, librarians will be encouraged to supply them. In other words, I think librarians, teachers, and researchers could work together.

Can you expand on the specific techniques you’d like to explore? Would this include techniques for using databases and data collection tools? Creating databases?

Thanks for making this proposal.

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by Anne Brubaker http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-75 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:26:23 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-75 I second this. I study modern American literature with an emphasis on science and technology studies, and I’m likewise interested in thinking about ways to visualize literary texts and trends in terms of time and space. I would be especially interested in trying out a literary timeline, which I think could be a useful tool for both research and teaching.

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by ecornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-74 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:19:49 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-74 Sorry about the broken link.
Try hypercities.com

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Comment on Digitizing Texts: Re-Presenting Time and Space by ecornell http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/16/digitizing-texts-re-presenting-time-and-space/#comment-72 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:18:41 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=198#comment-72 Discussing and testing out ways to visualize temporal and spatial relationships in literary texts sounds like a great idea, and I would definitely a session on this. Another site to take a look at (even if just for ideas) is Hypercities, if you haven’t already. At this site, maps are used in a variety ways, including expressing political, cultural, and social relationships and their changes over time. Anyone can to add their own knowledge to the project. Imagine if we could link thousands of literary texts on a giant, interactive map. What a way to visualize their myriad implicit and explicit connections.

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Kathryn Hammond Baker http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-71 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:15:15 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-71 I’d like to present on a digital library project, the Medical Heritage Library, that is expanding content and conducting research on the needs of researchers for related tools and services.

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Comment on Propose a Session by jburt http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/propose-a-session/#comment-69 Mon, 17 Oct 2011 00:01:20 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=179#comment-69 Tools for scholars for preparation and publication of texts: LaTeX, BibTeX, MakeIndex.
LaTeX is an open-source, free typesetting system for producing beautiful books. It is available for almost every operating system, and is a stable, mature product with a large user base. With it, you can make camera-ready pdf’s of books and theses, plus
other documents of many kinds. It has too many features to name in a short description, and in power it is closer to a desktop publishing system than to a word processor. BibTeX is a bibliography database management system designed to work with LaTeX. It is similar in power to Endnote and Zoho. MakeIndex is a utility for making complex, multi-level indexes (indices?). It is designed to work with LaTeX, but can also be used to organize an index you prepare from galleys.

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Jean Bauer http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-67 Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:03:28 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-67 I’d like to do a lighting talk on my database schema visualization tool, DAVILA. www.jeanbauer.com/davila.html

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by mimber http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-64 Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:55:10 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-64 I have a Roman History assignment (rap video on the life of Caesar) that I’ve found to be very effective in a survey course. The video (and rap) are the culmination of a project that involves a lot of reading/writing assignments.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBKaY_W-mKI

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Comment on Schedule by THATCamp New England 2011 Coming to Brandeis University, October 22 » THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/schedule/#comment-59 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:36:44 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?page_id=70#comment-59 […] Schedule […]

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Propose a Session » THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-58 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:33:34 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-58 […] Also, if you’re interested in giving a lightning presentation, sign up here. […]

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Comment on Lightning Presentations (AKA Dork Shorts) by Tona http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/10/14/lightening-presentations-aka-dork-shorts/#comment-57 Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:18:22 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=166#comment-57 Lightning, as in “quick burst of light and energy” or Lightening, as in “makes your burden less heavy”? The word play is making me smile. I guess it can be both…

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Comment on Apply by Application Deadline Extended to September 16 » THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/apply/#comment-28 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:05:24 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?page_id=62#comment-28 […] Apply! […]

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Comment on Apply Now! by Lincoln Mullen http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/08/01/apply-now/#comment-27 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 03:03:07 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=99#comment-27 Thanks for letting us know, Susan. Actually, we’ve extended the deadline to September 16. Keep those applications coming!

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Comment on Apply Now! by Susan Champine http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/08/01/apply-now/#comment-26 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 12:37:27 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?p=99#comment-26 Hi Mr. Mullen,

I completed an application for THATCamp NE and noticed that the deadline was actually 9/6/11. I received the email from NERCOMP this morning, dated 9/7/11 and hope that the delay will not disqualify me. My employer is a NERCOMP member and Lisa DeMauro is our contact for NERCOMP.

Sincerely,

Susan Champine

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Comment on Apply by Apply Now! » THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/apply/#comment-13 Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:14:41 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?page_id=62#comment-13 […] Apply! […]

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Comment on Workshops & Fellowships by THATCamp New England 2011 Coming to Brandeis University, October 22 » THATCamp New England 2011 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/about-thatcamp-new-england-2011/bootcamp/#comment-2 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 21:07:16 +0000 http://newengland2011.thatcamp.org/?page_id=66#comment-2 […] BootCamp […]

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